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that’s where CFA could shine is with breed recognition. Within CFA and our judges and our exhibitors, that’s not a problem in most cases, but if we’re going to the public with this and it makes it extremely difficult to look at these cats and tell them apart from a distance, or even up close in a lot of cases, then I would have to say, I would not like to see the pointed Ragdoll approved. OK, I have to agree with Darrell for the simple fact that I don’t think that a Birman and a Ragdoll look anything alike in confirmation. My concern and my question would be, we have a Siberian that has been here right in between the Maine Coon and the Norwegian Forest Cat and I think there’s far more similarity between those three breeds than there is between the Birman and the Ragdoll. There are – there’s CFA and the rest of the world. The rest of the world recognizes three color patterns in the Ragdoll and we took those in with the bi-colors. We are losing show potential money for some of these cats, registrations. Are they registered Tom, or not? To sit there and, these people are going to have these cats in their breeding programs. They have to have them in their breeding programs, because the white will just go to the sky if they don’t have it to keep it down. To me, it’s so logical. I’m not basing my decision on emotion, I’m basing my decision on rational fact. These two breeds do not look alike. They are different in confirmation. Even if you had a mitted one up there, I still think they would be different because the mitted Ragdolls have white chins. Birmans don’t have white chins. So yeah, you don’t. The mitted Ragdolls have white chins. It all got started and it all got on the internet and somebody put some cat sitting down so you couldn’t see the back legs on the mitted Ragdoll and says, “can you tell which one of these two is a Ragdoll and which one is a Birman?” Well, I could spot it immediately because the mitted Ragdoll had a white chin and the Birman didn’t. Those are distinctive things, and we’re not even considering that. We’re considering a colorpoint cat. There is no other breed that has this confirmation and colorpoints. None. Can you name one, Joan? You said that they look like other cats. What breed or color pattern do we have, other than a pet Himalayan, you name me what breed has this color. OK, first of all, I would like to comment on one of the first issues Darrell made, and that was that they use the cats for breeding and that the rest of the world accepts them. First of all, we have many breeds in which cats have to be used for breeding, but they’re not allowed in the show ring. A straight-eared Fold would be one example I could think of right away. That is part of the challenge of breeding. Not everything is shown. Certainly in the early days of the Abyssinians, most people don’t remember but we used to have spots and ?? under the arms and because of the gene pool, we had to use those cats for breeding but they weren’t in the show hall. Secondly, our distinction of our breeds is not just confirmation. It involves confirmation and color. Color is very important and pattern is very important. Just like one of the breeds, the American Bobtail, would want to emphasize the more wild colors. Well, that is because they want to set the character of their breed apart from other breeds and I really feel that the Ragdolls have just moved up and soared in popularity. I mean, I am finaling them big. I love them. They’ve got a distinction and character, a lot of it is because of that bi-color pattern. It’s not just the confirmation. I don’t think their confirmation is like any other breed. I would not compare their confirmation to the Birman. I really wouldn’t and I think that’s a result of their hard work.

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