that we have, on a per-capita basis, compare with the rest of the country?
K. Evans: Sure. Well, thank you for the question. e current completion rates in British columbia are at 43 percent. We take a look at a six-year cohort of ap- prentices, so that is for the most recent six-year cohort. it's very dicult for us to make national comparisons, benchmark comparisons because jurisdictions have dierent ways of measuring completion rates. for ex- ample, in alberta they do not even consider or include the rst-year apprentices. at the canadian council of directors of apprenticeship we are working to come up with a common denition so that we can do these comparisons.
Suce to say, the completion rates are a challenge across the country. a Statscan report had it at about 51 percent. using the Statscan denition — that was the average — B.c. was at 53 percent. So whether it's 53, 43
whatever denition you want to use — it can be and
must be better, and we need evidence-based decision- making to chart our course.
in that end, the ita commissioned the canadian apprenticeship forum to conduct a study looking at all of the best practices across the country to address completion rates to inform our action plan. We'll be re- ceiving that study next month.
We do know that one key area of concern is essen- tial skills and that a lack of essential skills…. While there is no silver bullet — there is no one reason that can account for the completion rates — a lack of literacy, numeracy, communication skills, analytical skills have factored rather prominently, and we have moved aggres- sively to move forward the essential skills agenda.
e ita has developed an on-line training tool that
can provide information to apprentices and their spon- sors for the specic essential skills requirements for 15 of the high-volume trades. is tool also allows them to identify the gaps in their essential skills competen- cies and the recommended remedial training that they can employ so that when they do get into their appren- ticeship and they do get into technical training and are writing those level exams, they do have the essential skills required for success.
K. Corrigan: e second half of that question was: how does our per-capita enrolment or registration com- pare with the rest of the country?
K. Evans: again, the data on that varies depending on what the denominator is. Some provinces use total population; others use workforce. i can tell you anec- dotally that at the lowest end of the scale, in terms of red Seal completion rates in the country, is Quebec. alberta is perhaps the highest, and British columbia is in second spot.
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G. Gentner: to the auditor general. right away, in the executive summary, page 6, the auditor general cites the various ministries this crown has had to go through
advanced education, '05; ministry of economic
development, '07; back to advanced education. and now in 2010 there is housing and Social development.
i'm just wondering how colleges coordinate their ef- forts now with this new entity which this crown is identied with. i'm interested to hear from both parties.
ere doesn't seem to be that consistency. 
e other part i want to talk about is this modular
training. We went away from the original itac. e benets of it were that it was a centralized eort as op- posed to this sort of decentralized notion of the itos.
ere seems to be a lack of funding. i believe it's on
page 37, if i can. ere's discussion of underfunding by the auditor general. e ito would receive $3.6 mil- lion on an annual basis, in contrast to the $1.7 million the ita estimates it will be providing. has that been changed?
i know we did get some gures from you, Kevin. But i just want to know. ose instances, those particular points…. it's a change of jurisdiction and how it's aect- ing the performance of the ita, and it's the funding to the itos, or lack of.
K. Evans: Well, i'll begin. Just for the record, the min- istry responsible now for the industry training is the regional economic and Skills development rather than housing or Social development.
i know that industry is very pleased that industry training is back in an economic portfolio. certainly, that's the view of the board of directors of the ita. it's really not that much of a switch for us, because when i began the job, we were under an economic portfolio.
en we were in advanced education. now we're back
to an economic portfolio.
With respect to the working relationship with the various institutions, the colleges are now all covered under the ministry of regional economic and Skills development. We do have some universities that previ- ously were colleges that we also fund, and we are in the process now of determining what issues, if any, will arise from the fact that we have two ministries responsible for post-secondary education in British columbia.
John, did you want to respond to that question, or shall i go on to the itos?
Doyle: Keep going.
Evans: okay. as i mentioned, the itos received a
funding li from $4.24 million in '08-09, the year the in- dustry trades-training system took a budget hit of about 10 percent, to $5.64 million for '09-10. But i think it's not a complete answer to just say that we've given them more