do that you get the price down that low I mean it's irresponsible and ridiculous for farmers in the fall of the year -- and I don't know why we get in this mentality about let's have the price go lower, go lower, go lower, go lower. If it's lower we can get some LDP, and if it goes low enough and the processors got it low enough because they're the ones who basically buy the product, we're hoping and praying that the price goes low so they can buy it cheap below the cost maybe we can raise it for and then maybe it goes up we can get the LDP and then get something on top of it. Which is just plain crazy. It don't make no sense at all for people to operate in that kind of scheme. It doesn't work. The other thing if you want to do, look at what happens with the overall payment limitations that are out there. I mean pay it on the bottom. If people want to farm for the world export value of the profit, let them farm 5,000 acres but base it on the bottom end so the first initial value what you raise, you can at least have some income off your family, because right now we got all our wives working, we got all our kids working, we got all our relatives working trying to make it work and it's not working. So do what you can, but you are the boss, you are our secretary, you're appointed to do our job, so make sure that the farm families are in the bill, not the agri-processors that actually are running the bill with the farm families are actually the value of the bill. Okay? Thank you. Good luck. [Applause.] MODERATOR: Go ahead with your question, please.
MR. LOYAL FISHER (sp): Good afternoon, Mr. Secretary. Your being here listening already builds on your solid reputation, so thank you. My name is Loyal Fisher. As far as conservation and private land is concerned, 74 percent in Minnesota, the Farm Bill is it. It's the only game in town. And I appreciate your being here to listen to us today. For the 2002 Farm Bill we saw a considerable increase in conservation funding as a proportion of the total. I hope that trend continues and I hope the wisdom in some of the conservation parts of that bill continues too. As I mentioned, I have an office in Renville City. I'm very pleased as opposed to an earlier speaker, very pleased to work with more than 15 people for the NRCS. A thank you from me. Mr. Hunt, would you please stand? The others if you work for the NRCS thank you. I enjoy working with you. Your heart’s in the right place. I appreciate it. The EQIP program has been very successful in my home county, which is as I mentioned, is Renville. We're 94 percent tilled, and makes us a very intensively-farmed county. The part I really like about the EQIP bill is that we're locally let. Mr. Hunt said Minnesota's number one in being locally let. I'll gladly catch on to that phrase. It works