officer] "My God! We're leading babies into combat!" They didn't panic. They stood and fought some of the greatest armies the World has ever seen and defeated them. A lot of them died. But they didn't run -- they fought! So I say, this is the younger-age people -- they're not going to panic. Let them know. They want to know. That Orson Welles show ["War of the Worlds", 1938] has thrown a lot of people off. It's not going to be like that.
ML: Do you feel we are ready to know the truth on this?
PC: We been ready. A long time ago.
ML: Did you have to willfully break any personal oaths or promises to the military or the Country in order to do what you've done?
PC: No. The oath that I held was with the General. I held that oath until he died because he was an honorable man, an honest man. I liked him. He was a great man. As far as being an Army officer, I kept my oath for 35 years. I did not violate any security, and I had all the clearances. I was the one who used to stop people from violating security. I did not reveal anything that's harmful or should be kept quiet.
ML: There have been rumors and speculations that Roswell and what came from Roswell -- the way we exploited Roswell technology -- might not have been the very first time such a thing happened. There have even been indications or speculations that the Nazis had done such a thing -- that some of their extraordinary technological developments may have come from a similar source. What do you think about that?
PC: Yes. True. I had German scientists on my team. I discussed this with them. I discussed this with Oberth and von Braun. I was part of "Project Paperclip" with General Trudeau. There's an example in the book. In the middle of the book, there's a photograph of Edward O'Connor -- one of Truman's poker-playing buddies at the White House. He was a Soviet expert. And General Trudeau, myself, and Victor Fediay of the Library of Congress who spoke fluent Russian. Fediay was going to Russia. I gave him a series of questions. I said, "Ask a KGB general these questions [pertaining to UFOs]." So Victor comes back and says, "Phil, I asked him the questions. You know what he said? He said, 'I know what you want. But do you want me ?'"
Now, that's Russia. Germany? Yes. Canadians and British also, and something in Italy. There were crashes elsewhere, and they gathered material, too. The Germans were working on it. They didn't solve the propulsion system. They did a lot of experiments on flying saucers. They had one that went up 12,000 feet. But where all -- we and they -- missed out was on the guidance system. In R&D, we began to realize that this being was of the guidance system, part of the apparatus himself (or self, because it had no sexual organs). This is where most people missed out.
ML: Do you think, then, that if we are going to develop a way of interstellar travel, we will have to develop a similar relationship to our spacecraft?
PC: Man can't travel in space today. Those clones were created to travel in space, specifically. They can travel in space. Our muscles, our bones, our brain, can't take space travel even today. We can't do it.
ML: We can do it to some extent.