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KN:I think subsequently they he wanted to go back again but that’s the time they took the passports.  That is why they couldn’t go, you know, they couldn’t go whenever they felt like it.  You know because it wasn’t easy getting passports those days, and when they wanted to go again they, both himself and Dadoo, they refused them passports to go.

DS:Okay I don’t know whether it would be proper if I say it, was like I read some article about him that he was a close friend of Albert Luthuli?

KN:Yes, yes of course, I forgot to mention that. I mean he was also a regular visitor to our house.  Albert Luthuli they were very close, very close. I mean everything; I mean there was always liaisons with them; there was political rallies and meetings.  They always spoke together.  Ja, they were very close.

DS:Alright, can I pause?  

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DS:We are back you mentioned earlier on that your father and Dr Dadoo went to India, would you like to say something about the significance of that meeting?

KN:Ja well they went to India where they met as I said Mahatma Gandhi and Nehru, and they informed them about the situation in South Africa the segregation laws, and you know all the other laws against the Africans and the Indians.  And I think they wanted them to highlight this at

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