DS:We are back. Although your father was a Passive Resistor I believe, was he ever - how did he feel about the idea of joining MK or ja, the armed struggle, the ANC armed struggle?
KN:Ja, as you said he was a Passive Resistor, although he didn’t join the MK or armed struggle he did support, not overtly, but he did support it. Because during that time, you know, I think it was just after the Treason Trial, and the State of Emergency, you know, despite them making, having petitions to the government asking them for negotiations, they got nowhere with this. And anyway they kept going against a brick wall, so you find a lot of these people, a lot of the pacifists, although they didn’t support armed struggle they overtly supported the armed struggle. I’m sure they supported Umkhonto. And his cousin was MP Naicker, was a founder member of Umkhonto we Sizwe, who went into exile in London. And during this period of about 1960/61, I think the ANC, just after the Emergency, asked him and a few others, including Dadoo, to go into exile to do some work overseas. And it was decided between Dadoo and himself and maybe a few others, that he should remain in South Africa to coordinate the struggle, and that’s when Dr Dadoo, Dr Yusuf Dadoo went overseas to London to carry on the struggle there. And he said he will remain here and do the work from inside South Africa.