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KN:He was a very social person; he liked company; I mean he thrived on company.  I mean if you listen to people talking about him then, you know, he thoroughly enjoyed people themselves.  He liked going to parties and social gatherings; he played sport; he played tennis; table tennis; towards the end golf.  He liked to interact with people all the time. I mean my friends became his friends, you know, that sort of thing. I mean people used to come here; he just liked people all the time.  And as I said he liked having parties, and meeting people, going to dances, that sort of thing.  So in the end he spent, although his life revolved around politics - his spent in whatever free time he had he spent with us took us out, and all.  He was a good father you know, although we wanted more than what he could give us, but I mean he was there all the time.

DS:Can I pause?

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DS:Okay we are back I know its so unfortunate that your father is not here today or didn’t be with us when we voted, or even when the ANC was unbanned in 1990, so I just want to find out how do think he would view South Africa today.  Or how do you think he’d love South Africa to be if we had a discussion on that one or so with him.

KS:You know well this is what he was he lived for actually. I mean his whole life revolved around getting freedom for

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