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for us.  And even if I had to go overseas and get a degree I would never been able to come back, we found that never would have been able to come back and practice here as a veterinary doctor.  And when I decided, when I obviously - because of that and my parents actually wanted me to do medicine, so I decided to do medicine.  And because of the policies, it was difficult to get to medical school here, so that’s why I went overseas.  

DS:Right can we pause just?  

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DS:We are back.  You pointed out that your father used to have meetings with some friends would you like to name those people who used to come around?

KN:Well these were the old political personalities that were there, at that time. Of course, our great man Mandela, Nelson Mandela was there.  Winnie, that’s before they got married, she came, and I met her there at my house.  And then people like Walter Sisulu, the Cachalia family, Ismail Meer, Fatima Meer, Kathrada Ahmed, Kathrada, Dr Dadoo. Dr Dadoo was very close, besides a political comrade, he was a close friend of my father because they studied in Edinburgh together, too.  So he used to come quite often there.  And there were many others, but I can’t remember them, you know.

DS:Okay you said because of the suspended banning orders - earlier on when we discussed would you like to discuss it?

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