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From: Nicholas Grossman <balaton@___lantic.net>

  I would like to get your help in identifying one of my Zeiss Binoculars.  I collect only Zeiss products - this encompasses microscopes, telescopes, binoculars, measuring instruments, cameras etc.  In the binocular field I have been fascinated by the products produced by Zeiss, in its own factories, outside of Germany.  Zeiss had plants (before W.W.II) in Vienna, Austria, St. Petersburg, Russia, London, England, and Gyr, in Hungary.  My question is about a model made in Gyr, during W.W.I, probably for the military  The left prism cover (next to the eyepiece) is marked: ".K." - then the Austrian "double eagle" symbol - then "20.10.15" (the manufacturing date = October 20, 1915).  Below this marking - is the standard lens shaped trade mark format " ZEISS KROLY - GYR" (Exactly same format as Carl Zeiss - Jena).  -- Around the right side eyepiece prism cover - three lines.  Top: M 11 Z  - Middle line: Feldstecher 6 fach  - Bottom line Nr. 541783.

I have another identical pair of GYR binoculars - except this one has the usual black leather covering.  -- It is marked on the left side prism cover: " .K. -- the Austrian 'double eagle' - 27 8 15" (August 27, 1915).  Below it the classical Zeiss trade mark except it is marked GYR - instead of JENA.  Right side - top line :"M. 11. Z" -- middle line: "Feldstecher 6 fach" - bottom line: "Nr. 517120".  --

I would appreciate any enlightenment. -- Looking forward to our meeting in Tucson.

Best regards, Nick Grossman.  e-mail: balaton@___lantic.net.


Subject: Goertz Imperial Russian 8 x 26 binocular

From: wy <towy@___.fm>

(Tomasz is not on the list but I can forward all replies.   --Peter)

Warsaw,  Poland

February, 18th, 2004

Perhaps this may be useful to people compiling databases of serial numbers or I may get some feedback.

   Thank you very much.

        Yours sincerely,


C. P. Goertz Imperial Russian Army 8 x 26 binocular, manufactured in 1912 and distributed in Russia by the Sankt Petersburg branch of C. P. Goertz (variation of Goertz 8 x 26 Dienstglas with Cyrillic markings, serial number 8894)

    The specimen in my possession is a prismatic individual-focus 8 x 26 binocular manufactured in the year 1912 by the German company C. P. Goertz, used by the Imperial Russian Army during the I World War, distributed in Russia by the Sankt Petersburg branch of C. P. Goertz. The binocular seems identical with a fairly common binocular Goertz-Armee-Trieder Modell 1908 8 x 26, illustrated in Festschrift herausgegeben von der Optischen Anstalt C. P. Goertz Akt.-Ges. Berlin-Friedenau anlässlich der Feier ihres 25 Jährigen Bestehens 1886-1911, Berlin 1911, p. 56, introduced into the Prussian Army as a service glass (Dienstglas) by the order the Prussian War Ministry (Kgl. Preuss. Kriegsministerium) of November, 24th, 1908 (Festschrift, p. 57), used as one of standard German service glasses during the I World War.

    On the rear left-hand housing cover there is an inscription in Cyrillic block letters within the characteristic prism logo of C. P. Goertz: “K. P. GERTZ, ST. PETERSBURG” (English transliteration of the Cyrillic text), whereas the rear right-hand housing cover contains another Cyrillic inscription within the prism logo: “8 x No 663, PRIZMBINOKL 1912 G. (English transliteration of the Cyrillic text; in English translation: “8 x No 663, prismatic binocular, 1912 year”; it is significant that the letters No are written in Latin script as the only letters in both

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